O: Amiga 2000 (ZII) grafárna postavená na Spartanu 6 - VA2000

No tohle bude jeste taskarice

na 1k to doslova hori (jeste vice nez na tema spalene RapidRoad)

bohuzel ma nemcina neni tak dobra

nastesti je zde eng verze na eab




Hello everyone. I am the original and only programmer of Picasso96, which I licensed
to VillageTronic under that name (chosen by them for obvious reasons) to bundle with
the Picasso gfx boards. VTC never had any rights to the software: it was an initial
version of what later became the CyberGraphics software that supported a lot of
different boards and which I licensed to a multitude of vendors. In later years it
was developed together with Frank Mariak and when I left the Amiga he took over.
Picasso96 was never public domain so I keep wondering what is going on here:
I was aware of people changing the code to adapt for newer hardware for a while
now and never minded since I also like to tinker with old hardware/software as
a hobby. Until someone forwarded this thread to me just now and I wonder how
someone else can claim to have the rights for Picasso96.

Just to be clear: I do not want any money, do encourage people to do with my old software
whatever they want to do with it as long as they do not claim to be the author or
charge money for it. And a credit would be nice, but not necessary.

Also: I still have the old CyberGfx sources here, just looked and found the ones for
S3/Cirrus/Permedia etc. (e.g. Cybervision64, CyberVisionPro) and this is a quite
newer and faster codebase, just saying..

No idea why people are using the years older P96, really, can someone try to explain
this to me and maybe the history that I missed ?

O: Amiga 2000 (ZII) grafárna postavená na Spartanu 6 - VA2000

Prasácké obchodní praktiky a jak se zdá, ne úplně legální. No potěš.

O: Amiga 2000 (ZII) grafárna postavená na Spartanu 6 - VA2000

Ono to bohuzel tak jednoduche nebude. Thomas Sontowski, ktery je autorem tohoto prohlaseni se obavam trosku unahlil. Preci jen je to vice jak 20 let, presneji roku 1993, kdy licencoval (? nebo prodal) svuj RTG system firme VT, pro jejich kartu - nejspis PicassoII. A taky uz je z Amiga sceny zatracene dlouho pryc.

Picasso96 jako takove v copyrightu obsahuje az rok 1996 a jmena Tobias Abt a Alexander Kneer. Je mozne, ze puvodne se ten software jmenoval Picasso. Potom Thomas a Frank Mariak zacali pracovat na CGX, coz byl v podstate konkurencni projekt, ktery vsak castecne stavel na zakladech, ktere Thomas napsal a prevedl nebo licencoval na VT, coz se hrube nezdalo firme VT, dokonce vyvojare napadla ze CGX stavi na zakladech, ke kterym ted maji prava VT. CGX byl vyrazne lepsi, takze to bude pravdepodobne tak, ze se VT obratil na dalsi autory - Abt a Kneer, licencoval si jejich rtg system (pry snad se jmenem Graffiti) a prejmenoval ho na Picasso96. (Pouzit CGX vzhledem k predchozi roztrzce nebylo mozne.)

Text vyse muze obsahovat nepresnosti, ktere se predpokladam v nejblizzsi dobe vyjasni. Proto berte text s rezervou!

Lide ted prosi Thomase, jestli by neuvolnil zdrojaky k CGX, ten by byl nejspis pro, nicmene ani to nevidim realne, mozna tak nejakou verzi 1.0. Protoze po odchodu Thomase tahl dalsi vyvoj sam Mariak a ten je soucasti core teamu MorhOS, stejne jako je CGX integralni soucasti tohoto systemu, takze nejake modernejsi zdrojaky moc v uvahu nepripadaji...

stoji to za <|>, co vam mam dal psat...

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no takze Jensovi uz na domacim a1k foru nemuzou prijit na jmeno, na druhou stranu Amiga komunita tam nikdy nebyla tak aktivni jako v tomto pripade. Padaji ruzne napady a mnozi zjistuji ze se na Jens resp ICOMP divali vzdy prez ruzove bryle (mi ten clovek teda nebyl sympaticky nikdy

na .fr foru se objevil tento prispevek (prelozeno translatorem, francouzstinou nevladnu bo je to spise krcni choroba nez jazyk

The biggest problem at present is the commercial battle in which ICOMP starts from today (!) Given the threat of Vampire and other projects (VA2000 not to mention the ), Jens S. decided it was and will remain in sole command, and appears to be in a P96 redemption process to get their hands on the graphics card market. I let you judge.

A tohle je na pripomenou:

For usb be forgotten ... Individual computers for the exclusive right to Poseidon c is why the denebes are no longer manufactured because the creator do not want to sell license to manufacturer ... so we clearly forgot the usb ...



Na EABu mne take zajual jeden prispevek

If it is one person people assume then everybody still buying hardware there should be kicked in the butt
The comments the a1k threads are very obvious... this transaction will catapult this person out of the market, with or without P96


Situace tedy neni jednoducha, nejedna se jen o novou grafiku pro Z2 ale i o SAGA/Vampire

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Hmm, na a1k.org dost dlho bol trend ruzovej optiky, asi pretoze Jens je ich sukmenovec, alebo to Nemcom vzdy dlhsie trva pokial precitnu a zobudia sa do reality

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A muze tohle nekdo pripomenout me? Matne si pamatuju, ze Elbox odpalil aferu s timhle USB stackem a Chris se potom choval trosku divoce, ale z toho textu hore nejsem vubec chytry.

Pokud prodal Chris exkluzivni licenci Jensovi, tak s tim nic nenadelame, a chovani Jense je celkem normalni a logicke. To by pak byla spis blbost Chrisova, ze slo o exkluzivni licenci. Z te anglicke vetu nechapu ze prvne se tam pise o "exclusive right to Poseidon" a potom "because the creator do not want to sell license to manufacturer"

Zas uplne vsechno bych mu na hlavu nehazel, i kdyz uplnej milous to nikdy nebyl.

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Někde jsem to četl, prostě Deneba dělali dva, jeden HW druhej SW. Pak se dotoho hacknul Elbox a začaly problémy, které vyústili v konec E3B a tedy konec výrobz Subwayů a Denebů. Po nějaké době, když se lidi ptali HWráře, tak řekl, že on by problém neměl, ale nebude obcházet SWráře, který další produkci prostě neschválí. Pak přišel Jens a s oběma se nějak dohodnul, SW převzal a podle mého i nějaký ten know how od HWráře.

Jinak CGX by byl super, ale kdo ví v jaké stádiu to má ten týpek. No uvidíme, P96 je asi passé, pokud všichni pošlou Jense do hajzlu, tak se domnívám, že se naštve a Amigistům bude ještě víc škodit, že stopí všechno a už to nikdy neposkytne.

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Obcas si rikam, zlata Cina.

O: Amiga 2000 (ZII) grafárna postavená na Spartanu 6 - VA2000

Podobna vec postihuje prekvapime hodne Amigistu.

O: Amiga 2000 (ZII) grafárna postavená na Spartanu 6 - VA2000

Zitat von majsta
Let me say only this, my mailbox are full of blackmail messages and I have saved all logs from IRC when few people tried to blackmail us inside apollo-team directly talking to me. At the time I wanted to publish all of this but agreement inside team was that we should continue to work and not waste time on this. Most interesting story was when one manager contacted me on IRC saying that BigGun is not telling the truth to the rest of us. Same time they were talking to him trying to convince him that such core can't work in amateur designed card like Vampire and that he should move on, to you know who. After all of that I received "contract" on my mail where basically says something like pay us money and we don't own license yet but we will and when we buy license we won't provide any upgrades or support you in any way. But at the end when you pay you can freely distribute what's already on aminet as a free package. If this story continues I ll provide all logs, "contracts" offers and even pictures of the card who was an offer from someone else in same group to replace Vampire and to destroy everything what's good inside apollo-team. Same people who tried same thing with minimig and I have also pictures to prove even that, pictures never published anywhere. Complete story is because Vampire and Apollo core will replace every card for Amiga. Milking time is over. Get over it!


neco shnileho jest na Amiga scene...

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Shnileho? Zdurela ega a spasitelsky komplex - s tim se prece potykame uz 20 let...

Predpokladam, ze Vampire/Apollo se nakonec vydaji cestou pololegalniho driveru bez podpory (a proti vuli) vlastniku Picasso96. Reseni to neni optimalni, ale pravdepodobne nikoli za hranou zakona. Pokud jednotlive strany dostanou rozum a nakonec se dohodnou, bude to jen plus. Asi bych mel sundat sve ruzove bryle...

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tak jsem tu diskuzi procetl celou az dokonce a chce se mi blejt

Proc pololegalniho? Minimalne v Evrope to je pravdepodobne z pohledu vyrobcu Vampire naprosto legalni. Ale i tak je moznosti vice. Zjistuji se podminky, za jakych by slo misto P96 pouzit CGX a jako dalsi moznost se rysuje pouziti RTG z AROSU (klon CGX).

P96 je ted hodne shnile jablko a do budoucna bude lepsi nechat autory, at si ho nacpou do
Stejne tak se predvedl Hyperion, pro nez je zvyseny zajem o 68K neprijemny a v podstate prima konkurence.

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@ExiE

Proto jsem napsal pololegalni - nazory na tuto vec se ruzni - ja osobne v tom legalni problem nevidim. Co se tyce Hyperionu, zverejnene podminky jsou pochopitelne (zaplatte, udelejte si driver, ale od nas nic necekejte...).

Edit: Gunnar na A1k.org uvedl, ze Hyperion se Apollo teamu dotazal, zda by radeji nechteli delat hardware s PowerPC.

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A winuae jako takovy je na tom jak? protoze thomas psal v tom blogu, ze z toho vysel
To jako zakazeme i winuae?

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P96 support pro WinUAE ma na triku Brian King. Ten to vytvoril pravdepodobne na zaklade licence (tento driver nikdo nezpochybnuje), ale nikde v zadnem souboru neni uvedene, ze by to King releasnul pod nejakou rozumnou licenci, na ktere by se dala postavit legalnost ovladacu vzniklych na zaklade techto souboru. Vsede je jen uvedeno Copyright 1997 Brian King.